Dale,

I'm just going to sit and take it from Scott, wanta know why, because I really don't have a choice.  My email and the messaging here on the forum work fine.  I'm NOT going to call Scott.  Anything and everything I have to say to him I can do in writing.  Maybe that's why he REALLY wants me to call him, so he can not have the deal on paper and no way for me to enforce it.

I'm not nitpicking your every word, it's just to me the word FACT is a bit strong to use here.  You are basically calling me a liar, I'm saying X Y Z, your saying it's a fact that whay I'm saying is not true (a lie).  I can say Scott is lieing, Scott can say I'm lieing, you cannot, you were not there, you don't know the truth, you cannot state facts about scott calling or emailing me.  No one can except Scott and I.  

I just checked and you messaged me once or twice before the car was shipped not saying anything about scott trying to get ahold of me.  Was it an email??

I appreciate your offer to ship the boxes for me, and ya know if I had any idea that scott was willing to do that it could be an option.  However it seems scott is set on keeping the parts now.  Until Scott says, sure have Dale get these parts, there was no need to reply, although it was my mistake to not say thanks for the offer sooner.  

Stay tuned for my post on Tuesday about the situation with Scott, it will make the situation change a bit.  I don't think your against me, your going by what you were told, think, and your experience.  I know your just defending Scott, but just make sure you know exactly what your defending.

Later we will laugh,    Maybe sooner

Ron

I did a search on Yahoo for "smileys"  That one actually came from a search "smileys shrug"  sometimes when you search for the expression also it's easier to find.  When you find the one you want goto it's propertys and copy it, paste it like you would a img link.

Here is actually a pretty big database of them:
http://www.mysmilies.com/

cats out of the bag Ron, I blew it for you.  I am so sorry.

If I would have only kept my mouth shut, you, DJ, John and all the long list of other guys who got screwed by DKOV would have gotten what they paid for in full and on time.

I appologize to everyone that has ever gotten ripped off by him for saying a thing...

Songman's right....everything would be just A-OK had I just stayed out of it.

You know it's funny.

Scott never once has given a tracking number, not a once...


And now adays he doesnt even speak up for himself...It's only Dale policing to everyone how things should go and who likes and dislikes who, what and how....

Maybe after this sissy get's his car he'll finally tell us somethig true since he feels the need to be the gun-less security guard.

Ron this is all just smoke and mirrors.

It's all such BS.  Scott has ripped off everybody that he can.  The only people that get anything close to a fair deal are those who get in bed with him...and thats a maybe.  There is a person who has paid for a full set of wheels two years ago to the tune of thousands that have received zilch.  Several carbon fiber headliners, etc etc...the list goes on and on.

Dale's only objective is to bat for Scott as hard as he can cause his cars at jeopardy.  You see him constantly straddling the fence not to piss off the forum, you and Scott...His only sure strategy is to make me the villian and hope it sticks.  I dont live and die by this or any other forum.  I could give a flying sh*t whether he likes me, you like me, the forum likesme or whatever.  For me, it's about exposing the BS for what it is and merely expressing what I saw on your car and what I feel about your deal. 

The hell with Dale.  You've asked Scott directly to do as he was instructed and he goes into hiding EACH and EVERYTIME you ask for a tracking #.  Why the hell should you have to call Scott and listen to more empty promises.  He knows exactly what to do, Dale knows exactly what Scott meeds to do and you know what you need to do.  Thats it thats all.  If Dale was worth a rats ass he'd pick up the phone now ask Scott what you owe him, ask you what he owes you and say send it today, then post tracking #'s today.

Anything short of that is plain BS.

By the way, Scott paid only $11K for your car before he gutted it for all the parts he wanted off the car.  I've gotten this from three different people very close to his deal.  Take it for what it's worth but for sure dont feel beleive he got shorted.  Thats never going to happen, trust me.

And by the way...have Scott explain to you how the gas cap (from John watson) is now a different color and when the car was being shown, it ran and had a matching gas cap?

I doubt at this point its even the same car.  See if that car was originally blue.  Scrape a little paint in an inconspicuous area to see if you see any blue under the red.

Also did your seats turn out to be orignial Ferrari?  That wrong size front grill is from a mirage I think (get the picture?)What interior parts are actually Ferrari?  Hays used all Ferrari interior in his car, wheres the console?....Do the math and you will see how Scott gutted the car for thousands before he sold it to you.  You got the car in the first place because Scott couldnt afford to finish it.  He knew the expense involved....Don't you think if it was so close a builder like Scott would have just finished it off and turnkeyed it?  Afterall he is a turnkeyer isnt he? as he claims to be on his site.  Why wouldnt a turnkeyer at the very least make sure the damn car rools?  Can you imagine a "close" car not rolling?  Wouldn't he have taken the care to make sure the bolts werent missing from your suspension so you could, um, maybe roll it off the truck?  Well maybe hte trucker needed those specialized bolts for his 355 project he happened to have at home and stole em.  All Dale has to say is "damn Ron car looks good to me, you got a great deal" without even once awknowledging post after post after post you make about issue after issue after issue on your car that everyone else seems to be helping him solve.

I'll even bet those Ferrari parts are going to wind up on Dales car...watch and see....

If you honestly beleive that Dale's a great guy just trying to help...then good luck to you.  He is a crafty doubletalker trying to reach a double objective...to have this just go away and to make Scott feel too bad about beating him.

I bet that even after all Dale's done for Scott, he still gets hammered....Scott has neither the ethics, skills nor the money to even attempt to do someone right.

Cant wait to see pics...Oh wait....There is no thread of Dales build...wonder why a guy whose so helpful and who responds to each and every post on this board would hide his build from us.....hmmm

And you know it's really ironic, Dale says I get involved because I want to pick fights and act like a know it all here to get respect...If I was here to make buddies would I comment on a situation and bat for you Ron that I met once and talked to for a half hour? and three times on the phone...once to get directions?  Youre not building me a car are you Ron?  Or a guy in Taiwan who I've never spoken to?  Right is right.  Now use your heads and decide who actually has the ulterior motive, him or me.

I have nothing to gain, zero.  And probably will get booted off the board by the good ole boy network....But you know..I'll be fine...I have no regret of not cowering to a forum who so desides that behaivor of this type is permissable, if Ari deems Scott as a better asset that myself...

again more of the same....Songmans the ONLY non-involved guy that deserves to get involved so he parrots...

defend scott            - Scott rips multiple people off and it's a "mistake"
attack modena          - obvious deflection from a solution
stay neutral with Ron - in case others on the forum relate to him and keep promising to try to help you
an excuse about his build - why would someone as helpful as Songman ask to have his build hidden? why?  He posts commentary on EVERY SINGLE BUILD on this site....go check for yourself.  There's only three possible reasons... cause he's embarassed to be such a forum badass and having made the ultimate blunder to have Scott do his car, he has Ron's parts on his build.  or he knows Scott is guilty as hell and wants to minimalize the affiliation.  No one's stupid are they?
no mention of tracking #'s
no calls to Scott asking him to mail sh*t


You called me a blanket liar Dale...what am I lying about?  Be specific? 

What Scott spent for the car?  That Scott gutted parts before Ron got it?  That Scott's got your car?  That the Hays car used to be blue?  That the Hays car was loaded with OEM?  That theres a guy waiting on a set of wheels that he paid for for years?  That there's several guys waiting on headliners?  That DJ didnt get his sh*t?  That many people have gotted scortched by Scott?  That your batting tirelessly for Scott regardless of any facts?  which part am I lying about Dale?  I cant afford to Lie to anyone on here.  In fact if and when I do lie to the guys here, ban me immediately.  You have my permission Ari as if you need it!

And dont say that Rons parts are on your car.  Or that it might not be the same car at all.  I said those were hunches for him to investigate based on this bizarre behavior of you two.

As far as where I am, I'll be in LA the weekend of the 23rd if my plans go thru, wheres your shop in Bakersfield, I may drive over.

whats your number?  ill call you...promise

I dont think Id come to your home, you talk too much not to have a pistol to protect your mouth...we'll set something up where it'll be quick, manly then over....No guns, no police, no buddies, no forum...Just you having to protect yourself

haha... Even if I had a gun here I wouldn't use it on you. Where is the fun in that? Rest assured that all of my guns are in GA....
Keep on talking it up, pansy...

Got voice mail. How about a good number I can call?