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goyal99
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« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2006, 10:57:02 PM »

I have an idea!  Cool

Why don't you try this brilliant method on YOUR car and then tell us how well it worked...

2-3 layers of surran wrap, hmmmm..... and how about the resin??  is that before or after the surran wrap??  Cheesy

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« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2006, 11:47:49 AM »

No one here has provided THE molding solution that will come out perfect and will not damage the car.  Mostly because I don't believe there is a 100% risk free way yet, but there is no harm in throwing out ideas, and I certainly appreciate anyone willing to contribute to the kicking around of new or odd ways to do it.

To everyone that has contributed an idea, no matter how "good" or "bad" people have said it is... I say Thank You!  Your positive contributions are always welcome.

"One man's 'bad idea' is another man's 'brilliant solution'."

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« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2006, 02:43:28 PM »

Chavant, supplier of clay modeling suppies, sells a gypsum based material called MDM.  It's water based & creates it's own water release barrier.  It's a great
product for taking quick moulds off a panel.  You remove the mould before the heat builds up preventing any damage to the original part.  This technique
is good for making a quick one-off copy, but cannot be used as a production mould.  Go to:  http://chavant.com/index_main.shtml  for more info.

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« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2006, 09:06:49 PM »

Boys, boys! Grin
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« Reply #49 on: February 26, 2006, 08:46:00 AM »

I remember reading about this process that will virtually prevent any damage.
Mask off and fill the gaps around the body panels, lights and windows.
Clean the car and apply a mold release (not necessary).
Brush on a brushable silicone mold making material. (silicone does not need mold release in most cases).
Apply enough coats to make it about 3.8" thick. Apply this to the whole car without parting lines.
Plan out parting lines for a fiberglass mold and start making a regular fiberglass mold over top of the silicone.
When the FG mold is done, bolt it back together and lay in the silicone sheet impression of the car.
Now you can layup a complete body inside the silicone mold and again, mold release is not required.
This will prevent any damage to the car. Even if the silicone were to run under a body panel it will stretch and release without a problem.
It is costly but so is damaging a real car.

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« Reply #50 on: February 26, 2006, 11:19:00 AM »

I remember reading about this process that will virtually prevent any damage.
Mask off and fill the gaps around the body panels, lights and windows.
Clean the car and apply a mold release (not necessary).
Brush on a brushable silicone mold making material. (silicone does not need mold release in most cases).
Apply enough coats to make it about 3.8" thick. Apply this to the whole car without parting lines.
Plan out parting lines for a fiberglass mold and start making a regular fiberglass mold over top of the silicone.
When the FG mold is done, bolt it back together and lay in the silicone sheet impression of the car.
Now you can layup a complete body inside the silicone mold and again, mold release is not required.
This will prevent any damage to the car. Even if the silicone were to run under a body panel it will stretch and release without a problem.
It is costly but so is damaging a real car.

Jim 

Jim,  sorry, but I work with silicones a lot, and you are correct... casting in silicone requires no release agent, but molding with silicone usually does.  Silicone sticks to virtually everything, but virtually nothing sticks to it when cured.  The exception is life casting silicones like Body Double and DermaSil.  Those are ok to use on human skin and would require no release when molding, but it's still a good idea to use it anyway. 

The biggest issue with silicone is the price.  Very expensive, but you are correct... that would be a great method.  One issue would be the silicone warping with the fiberglass body casting, because it isn't fully secure to the fiberglass mold shell.  A way to get around that is by silicone-ing (glueing with silicone) the silicone to the fiberglass and cutting the silicone where the fiberglass dividing lines are.  That would secure the silicone so it doesn't pull away and still make the mold seperatable. 

Great ideas people. 
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« Reply #51 on: February 26, 2006, 12:12:26 PM »

How stiff or flexible is the silicone method you guys are describing??  How long does it take to cure if parts are covered with a few layers of silicone??

How "expensive" is this silicone you're talking about and where is a good place to get it??

Thanks  -  VK
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« Reply #52 on: February 26, 2006, 04:55:44 PM »

How stiff or flexible is the silicone method you guys are describing?? How long does it take to cure if parts are covered with a few layers of silicone??

How "expensive" is this silicone you're talking about and where is a good place to get it??

Thanks - VK

They make durometers from 20 -90 which would be the difference between a thick rubberband to a hard pencil eraser. check out  www.smooth-on.com for more info. I have worked with this stuff in smaller scales due to the extreme price.
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