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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2004, 11:21:12 PM »

He'd be suprised to get .17 cents back, what difference does it make.
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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2004, 01:17:48 AM »

I really like you Ron and I don't want to get into a pissing match with you.

And that's why I've stayed quiet this whole time.

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But seriously, that's ALL that is missing for you to finish your car!!!  This is the reason for your post?

Nope, there is a bunch more (stuff you never mentioned needed for completing the car).  I'd just like to be done with it and have the parts to install.

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I've been calling and calling with no reply from you.  How do you expect me to keep in contact and keep you updated when you don't reply to my calls?  Or even my emails for that matter.

Yep, your right, I just checked and there were some messeges left on both of my phones I hadn't listened to .........NONE from you though.  And as far as email goes, I tried emailing you a few times.....no responce so I resorted to PMing you on the forum.  My email address did change but I emailed you and PM'd you to let you know the new one.  It's been changed on the forum ever since the old one dropped.

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But seriously I have to mention that you knew the things you mentioned about your car.  We talked about them.  Even posted some of them.

1 - Paint it while fixing the cracks and holes and stuff.

WHAT, there were cracks and holes.......the only problem you told me about with the body was it was spray can painted and needed to be completely sanded and repainted.  NOTHING about cracks or holes was ever mentioned.

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5 - I told you I would include the authentic Ferrari Interior parts like the interior door and the other replica interior that came with the car as well.  All of which was AGREED upon NOT to ship with the car because it would damage the interior, just like the frame parts you didn't ship in your car.

YEAH, that's what I'm waiting for.

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Have you buffed the car out yet?  I explained in great detail the process and it's results.

Nope I haven't, the complaint on that one was the paint job was not complete......or does the owner of the car have to do that when it comes from a professional shop too??  You didn't tell me it needed anti swirl until the paint was brought up on the forum.

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Also, the payment for the extra parts I sent along with the car (about $250).

Now that one is interesting..........first you told me you would sell it to me for $200.  Then when you called me to tell me that the car was picked up by the trans. co. and that you "just went ahead and left it on there"  This left me wondering if you decided to just give it to me.  I figured I owed you $200 until you posted on another thread "I did through in a few extras though... like the rear tail panel and script (another $260 bucks) for isntance."  Leaving me confirmed that you "through in a few extras".  So which is it?  I'm sure it's back to owing you $200 again because of these posts, or did it bounce to $250, or $260??

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The box with your stiff in it is going out today.

PLEASE tell me you got a shipping tracking number!  And......since the day has passed......did it ship??
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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2004, 01:25:15 AM »

Sacto glad to hear you came out in public...you were stoically patient, almost monk-like, and gave him but every possible opportunity to perform but of course it's your fault for not answering the phone. 

Yeah, the phone calls.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2004, 09:56:47 AM »

hummmm... where is songman?  he should have by now posted something in DKOV defense.... according to the consumer opinion, GerardT also had a misfortunate deal with DKOV on the side view mirror..hope that one had a positive result....

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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2004, 09:59:08 AM »

I'm surprised to hear you say these things...

Denying my phone calls.  I even asked Dale to tell you I was trying to get ahold of you, which he confirmed.  You explained to me once how you can listing to who's leaving a message and decide NOT to pick up.  Just as I'm assuming you did today.  Called you twice more this morning.

This - ron@tri9chevys.com - is the email I've been using to get ahold of you and haven't ever had any trouble.  The last email I got from you came from that address as well.  So what's the new address so I can send it to the "proper" address?

I gave you the OPTION of leaving the parts on the car if you WANTED them. The script panel and the script we agreed on the price BEFORE hand.  You're right though, my bad... it was $200 not $250.

The other stuff I put on for free, as a thank you, as I often do.

The paint was fresh, as you knew.  You also knew and have been told by others that the very worst thing you can do is put polish over fresh paint and that it needs some time to cure.  At that point, anti swirl and polish.  You knew that too.  WE, you and I spoke about this and in the interest of TIME, you would rather have the car shipped than to wait for it to cure completely and me do the final buffing.  That was your call.

Cracks and holes... check the website I set up for you and the pics I sent you and the pics YOU posted here on the forum.  Don't tell me you knew nothing about them.  Also, don't misread holes as in gapping massive holes...  They were such as these, taken from that website posted HERE on this forum.







We have a written contract that says in no uncertain terms that you are buying the car as was supplied by John Hayes/Watson with the additions I outlined eariler.  Call John and ask him (as I did) and he will tell you that the car ran and drove when it left his location and there was NO water in the oil.  I only drove the car from the truck to the house (about 8 blocks) and other than the fuel injector leak, it ran fine.  But you know that too.

I'm sure there is other stuff you'll need to complete the car.  I wasn't hired to supply them ti my knowledge...  You bought a project car as you well know.  NOT a turnkey.  As per the contract, ROUGH installed interior, body work and paint, carpet laid, outter door handles installed.  That's it...  What else am I missing?

I owe you the door pulls.  Apprantely the painter removed the headlamps and I never checked to see if they were reinstalled (we talked about that too) and NEW ones are in your box as promised.  You wanted the broken left front turn signal but unfortunately, the painter tossed it out so it's gone and there's nothing I can do about that.  Beyond that, what am I missing?

If you would CALL ME or actually take my call, we can discuss it...

Just as I heard about your apparent disatisfaction from "rumors" on this forum, I have NO IDEA what your issues are... you wont tell me.

Please take my calls... please reply to my emails...  PLEASE....

I have done nothing but loose money on your car.  Over and over again...  but once again I'm asking, what can I do to make it better for YOU?

Call me and tell me what is wrong with this...



or this...



or this...



Or this... (one of my favorite shots Smiley  )



I'd really like to know.

Scott
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« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2004, 10:36:36 AM »

hummmm... where is songman?  he should have by now posted something in DKOV defense.... according to the consumer opinion, GerardT also had a misfortunate deal with DKOV on the side view mirror..hope that one had a positive result....

KoenigTR

I was wondering the same thing LOL Grin Roll Eyes
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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2004, 10:38:28 AM »


I'm still waiting for my carbon fiber headliner that I payed for 8 months ago.....

After all these responses, you get the feeling like you're just going to be  brushed aside and blown off?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2004, 03:12:46 PM »

Denying my phone calls.  I even asked Dale to tell you I was trying to get ahold of you, which he confirmed.  You explained to me once how you can listing to who's leaving a message and decide NOT to pick up.  Just as I'm assuming you did today.  Called you twice more this morning.

Your right one of the two phone numbers I gave you has a feature where you can screen calls.  However, when the person talks it records the message on the phone itself as a memo.  There were no messages from you on the phone.  And here is the deal with phone calls, I haven’t called you since I received the car because of how unhappy I was with it.  I decided that any further contact would be via email/PMs because then everything is documented. 

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This - ron@tri9chevys.com - is the email I've been using to get ahold of you and haven't ever had any trouble.  The last email I got from you came from that address as well.  So what's the new address so I can send it to the "proper" address?

That email hasn’t worked for over a month, as stated before I emailed you from my new address and PM’d it to you via the forum also.  My new email address is rls@sutternet.com it’s also under my username by clicking on the email icon.

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I gave you the OPTION of leaving the parts on the car if you WANTED them. The script panel and the script we agreed on the price BEFORE hand.  You're right though, my bad... it was $200 not $250.

I hope you can see how I would think you gave it to me by your statement “I did through in a few extras though... like the rear tail panel and script (another $260 bucks) for isntance.”  Guess this was an attempt to make yourself look good to the forum.

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The other stuff I put on for free, as a thank you, as I often do.

Oh, the Ferrari license plate, did I miss something?  “few extras”??  Here is a link to that thread in case you were wondering:
http://www.kitcar.ca/yabbse/index.php?topic=878.30

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The paint was fresh, as you knew.  You also knew and have been told by others that the very worst thing you can do is put polish over fresh paint and that it needs some time to cure.  At that point, anti swirl and polish.  You knew that too.  WE, you and I spoke about this and in the interest of TIME, you would rather have the car shipped than to wait for it to cure completely and me do the final buffing.  That was your call.

No one ever told me the worst thing you can do is polish over fresh paint.  Besides according to pictures the car was done being painted around the end of May beginning of June.  The car didn’t leave your housing until the middle of July.  How long does it take for paint to cure?Huh?  I don’t deny the car looked great at that show, fresh paint, buffed up nice, but then it sat for over a month.

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Cracks and holes... check the website I set up for you and the pics I sent you and the pics YOU posted here on the forum.  Don't tell me you knew nothing about them.


You NEVER told me about any holes or cracks.  I saw that pick and wasn’t sure what it was a picture of, I still can’t really make out it’s a hole.

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We have a written contract that says in no uncertain terms that you are buying the car as was supplied by John Hayes/Watson with the additions I outlined eariler.  Call John and ask him (as I did) and he will tell you that the car ran and drove when it left his location and there was NO water in the oil.  I only drove the car from the truck to the house (about 8 blocks) and other than the fuel injector leak, it ran fine.  But you know that too.

I know it was not a turn key car, never said or expected it to be.  John did tell me the car ran great and didn’t have any injector leak before sending it to you.  There wasn’t WATER in the oil it was Gas, and no oil on the dipstick.  You told me the injector had a small leak, I think the leak would have to be a little bigger to get gas into the oilpan.

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I'm sure there is other stuff you'll need to complete the car.  I wasn't hired to supply them ti my knowledge...  You bought a project car as you well know.  NOT a turnkey.  As per the contract, ROUGH installed interior, body work and paint, carpet laid, outter door handles installed.  That's it...  What else am I missing?

You gave me a list of things needed to complete the car and when it arrived the list about doubled.  You advertised the car 90% complete, then after painting and installing the interior you stated it was 90% complete.

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I owe you the door pulls.  Apprantely the painter removed the headlamps and I never checked to see if they were reinstalled (we talked about that too) and NEW ones are in your box as promised.  You wanted the broken left front turn signal but unfortunately, the painter tossed it out so it's gone and there's nothing I can do about that.  Beyond that, what am I missing?

Here is the list I’m aware of:

Ferrari door panel (unless you didn’t throw away the other one then both)
Ferrari HVAC vents
Center console, dash board
Seat rails
Headlights

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Just as I heard about your apparent disatisfaction from "rumors" on this forum, I have NO IDEA what your issues are... you wont tell me.
I wasn’t going to bring them up until the parts are not being shipped.  I really don’t like slamming people.  But I’m also not going to sit back and let you make it seem like it’s my fault.

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I'm asking, what can I do to make it better for YOU?

Send the parts please.  The rest I’m dealing with.

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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2004, 03:51:51 PM »

Ron,
Unfortunately, Scott used all of your money to buy other promised goods for others, like the HVAC unit he got on eBay a few weeks ago for $300. I cannot find the listing of it but I was watching it myself  and was shocked when I saw the winning bidder to be DKOV after all of the flack about being broke.

He paid $300 for a great looking ferrari 355 A/C(HVAC) control unit on eBay a few weeks ago. Then he tells people like me "they are all over the boards for $600 for a non-functioning unit and upto $1500 for a good one." He was probably looking to sell this one to an unsuspecting buyer for a handsome price increase. Buyers beware of price gouging, but we all new that by now.

If you cant facinate with facts, just bedazzle them with BS. Well the excuses have run out and delivery to many is expected. I have received more than a few emails from others on the forum stating their undelivered goods. They should bring it up here, I'm curious to see what the excuse or expanation for them will be.
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« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2004, 06:53:10 PM »

Saco:

I have a few odds and ends in the garage that I will not be using.  What do you need to finish your car?  Maybe I can make a low cost donation to you.  I am replacing both of my 355 front turn signals with new ones.  Mine have a hair line crack in each one that are driving me nuts.

Not to continue to slam DKOV, but people should not do business with this guy.  He has questionable integrity (must be related to John Kerry somehow, sorry I couldn't resist.) 

All of the people on this Kitcar forum and on the Fiero forum should have a good feeling for Scotts lack of honest business practices.  I noticed he won the Ferrari vents as well.  I tracked that one too. 

All of these people can’t be wrong.  If I were Dale, I would be heading north to pay a visit to Scott.  I would hate to see him become the next victim in the long line of victims.

The old saying goes like this.  One excuse is as good as another, if you don’t want to do something.

By the way, how did the car get to the car show?

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« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2004, 07:50:04 PM »

Funny and Super... you just gave yourselves away again.  Trying SO hard to make something out of nothing to add to the argument.

Did you happend to see who PAID for the HVAC vent?  I'll give you a hint, it wasn't me.  LOL!!!

I bid on an item for a guy that doesn't want to use the Internet.

As I've done many times for him.

I didn't buy anything or mark anything up.

Oh, and did you see the other one on Ebay for $500 starting bid?  Funny you left that one out.

$300 was a good price though, wasn't it.

LOL... you guys are funny.

Scott

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7916277864
Shipping was roughly $20 too, for those of you keeping score.
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« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2004, 08:27:46 PM »

Your right one of the two phone numbers I gave you has a feature where you can screen calls.  However, when the person talks it records the message on the phone itself as a memo. There were no messages from you on the phone.

And that's what happened today too?  Did you not get my phone message today either?  How about all those calls from the Shipping Company that you said you never got?  How about all the phone calls I left those same days when the shipping company was calling you that you said you never got?  What about all those calls too?  Did they never exist?  Are you going to say that THEY never called you either?  Or was it just some goofy thing with your service?  Was TODAY another goofy thing with your service?

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And here is the deal with phone calls, I haven’t called you since I received the car because of how unhappy I was with it.  I decided that any further contact would be via email/PMs because then everything is documented.

So you can understand how I was under the impression that everything was just fine.  Documentation is a good thing here.

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This - ron@tri9chevys.com - is the email I've been using to get ahold of you and haven't ever had any trouble.  The last email I got from you came from that address as well.  So what's the new address so I can send it to the "proper" address?

That email hasn’t worked for over a month, as stated before I emailed you from my new address and PM’d it to you via the forum also.  My new email address is rls@sutternet.com it’s also under my username by clicking on the email icon.

Funny... I have an email from you dated the 9th of this month from that address...

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I hope you can see how I would think you gave it to me by your statement “I did through in a few extras though... like the rear tail panel and script (another $260 bucks) for isntance.”  Guess this was an attempt to make yourself look good to the forum.

No, I cannot see that as you and spoke and agreed, several days before they arrived, that I would LEAVE the script panel on the car for an extra $200 or could take it OFF the car.  Your Choice.  Why in God's name would I leave $200 worth of extra parts on the car?

The extra parts were the fun stuff like the Ferrari CD Holder I left in the seat.  The Ferrari License Plate.  The Ferrari Valve stem caps.  I'm glad to hear they were appreciated.

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No one ever told me the worst thing you can do is polish over fresh paint.  Besides according to pictures the car was done being painted around the end of May beginning of June.  The car didn’t leave your housing until the middle of July.  How long does it take for paint to cure?Huh?  I don’t deny the car looked great at that show, fresh paint, buffed up nice, but then it sat for over a month.

Wrong again my friend.  If you car to remember and do a little checking on this forum, the car was REPAINTED because I was not happy with the first finish.  It was done just before the show which you were going to attend with your trailer to take the car home with you.  Remember that?  Posted it here on the forum too.

You called me a day before to tell me your vehicle couldn't pull it.  It was THEN that we talked about the paint and the time it needed to cure.  You even had that conversation with others here on the forum.

You didn't come to the show and didn't pick up the car.  It was then scheduled for trucking.  Speaking of which, did you get a copy of the Insurance Claim and Check sheet from the driver showing the paint in PERFECT, PRISTINE CONDITION with ZERO notations anywhere?

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You NEVER told me about any holes or cracks.  I saw that pick and wasn’t sure what it was a picture of, I still can’t really make out it’s a hole.

It's more of a dimple I suppose.  I guess a hole would go all the way through.  So maybe it's not a hole.  But you could put your finger down in it.  I bet if it weren't a two ply surface, it would have gone all the way through.

Regardless... we spoke extensively about them.

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I know it was not a turn key car, never said or expected it to be.  John did tell me the car ran great and didn’t have any injector leak before sending it to you.  There wasn’t WATER in the oil it was Gas, and no oil on the dipstick.  You told me the injector had a small leak, I think the leak would have to be a little bigger to get gas into the oilpan.

My mistake... GAS

This is John Watson that told you this?  I hope you mean John Hayes.  The car hasn't been in the presence of John Watson since it went to Hayes... unless you are telling me otherwise... since it was shipped to Hayes way back when.  Hayes told me about the leak when I bought it and I told you about it before you bought it.  Besides, It's a mute point.  It has a leak, you knew that, you agreed to fix it despite the fact I offered to fix it originally.

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You gave me a list of things needed to complete the car and when it arrived the list about doubled.  You advertised the car 90% complete, then after painting and installing the interior you stated it was 90% complete.

It's not 90% complete?  Let's see... when it left here it needed the lights hooked up, vents, the instruments installed and wired, the Injector repaired, the shift cables were goofy and needed replaced and a new bushing on the right rear.  Oh and outter door locks installed.  It needed mirrors and the front window trimmed.  Finally, the paint needed to be polished.

Am I missing something?  Sounds a bit more than 90% now that I read it again.

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Here is the list I’m aware of:

Ferrari door panel (unless you didn’t throw away the other one then both)
Ferrari HVAC vents
Center console, dash board
Seat rails
Headlights

The Original faux dash the Original Ferrari Door are in your box along with the new Headlamps and door pulls.

All the other dash parts, including the center console, are with the car as shown in the pictures.

The car had no seat rails.  I can send you a set of stock Fiero Seat rails if it's that critical.  They won't work anyway because they are REAL ferrari Seats.  I assume that's why Hayes sent the car without them in the first place.

The vents....

All of which are in your box.

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I wasn’t going to bring them up until the parts are not being shipped.  I really don’t like slamming people.  But I’m also not going to sit back and let you make it seem like it’s my fault.

It's not your fault.  That's obvious.  I failed to ship those parts out quickly and that's MY fault.  But I'm not going to sit back and listen to you try to say I didn't deliver EXACTLY what I promised you.

To reduce everything you are saying here... in NO FANCY WORDS... THIS is what you are saying:

You want your box and the parts inside it.  Other than the need for a good buffing, you are fine with the car.  You affirm that you will fix the other problems just as you agreed to do from the very beginning.

Is that about the just of it?

Scott -
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« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2004, 09:00:34 PM »

Yes I did see that one for $500, funny how it got no bids and it is now relisted by the same seller for $300.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7922120961&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

So I guess they are on the boards for$300 or so.

How would I know that another individual paid for it, as if I fully believe that or if it matters in the least? It only shows who wins items not who forwards the payment. Did he pay $300 or did you try telling him you got it for $450 like you tried pulling on me?

You do have a way with words. You make it sound like the whole world is picking on you when it is actually just the result of your own actions. I have nothing more against you and will end it at that. I am glad I got wise before I got hosed, but I feel bad everytime I hear a newbie crying "I paid $$$ and have not seen anything in a month". It must be UPS, or the illiterate foriegners**, or just the blind faith that people still have that tells them they will get what they pay for. It couldn't possibly be your fault. Stop crying foul and pony up the parts others have paid for, refund their payments if you can not deliver, and stop taking money on more deals to cover old sour transactions of the past.

Dave, Duane, Austin, Dale, Myself, and several others have done numerous transactions, sometimes for no charge to each other, and always without a hitch. Why is it your transactions keep coming up negative? You must just have it coming to you.

My whole point in bringing it up was: for somebody who has no money and a bunch of open ended business transactions to tend to, you sure have no problem starting new ones rather than paying back or delivering promised goods to the several that have payed thousands of dollars to you and have nothing to show for it. I would be extremely aggrivated if I was expecting parts from you, you were crying poor, and I see your name on new eBay transactions whether they are for you or anybody else.

** The words "illiterate foriegners" were used in a sarcastic context and has no further meaning, suggested or implied, towards any individual(s). These words were used merely for effect and are not deamed acceptable or politically correct by me in any way, shape, or form Wink
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« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2004, 03:33:52 AM »

In Songman's defense...

He has a car with DKOV...ouch

Wait why is he at Johns?

Whattup bru?
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« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2004, 08:31:46 AM »

Yes I did see that one for $500, funny how it got no bids and it is now relisted by the same seller for $300.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7922120961&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

So I guess they are on the boards for$300 or so.

How would I know that another individual paid for it, as if I fully believe that or if it matters in the least? It only shows who wins items not who forwards the payment. Did he pay $300 or did you try telling him you got it for $450 like you tried pulling on me?

Exactly my point... you don't know and yet you jump in anyway.  So bound and determined to find fault anywhere you can.  If I did mark it up, I know good and well that you guys are ALREADY trying to pass on the fact it was won for $300 and I said that shipping was $20, so for $330...  Now you've EXPOSED me!!!!

NOW he knows he paid $150 extra...  I'm CAUGHT!!!  OH NO!!!

Only... that's not the case.  LOL  Cheesy

HE paid the bill.  All $330 dollars of it.

You want it to be true SO BAD that you guys are acutally following me on Ebay.  That's sad.  SOOOOOO sad.  Obsessed some might call it.

Talk about being good with words...

I just read that I have a LONG line of people having been taken for THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS  of dollars...

Surely you can see your exaggeration there.  And if you can't, than you've more than proved my point.

ONE pacakge has been lost.  And the normal and correct avenues have been persued to correct that.  Same as anyone would do.

This issue of the door pulls... yep, got me there. Smiley

I have a couple of headliner orders to get deliverd still.

So I see one impatient customer, one unsatisfied customer and a couple of LEGITIMATE arguments regaurding the headliners that I'm working on.

Did Neil Hargrove get his parts?
Did Dave Newman get his parts?
Did John Watson get his Parts?
Did Larry Cranmer get his parts?
Did Dale Houston get his parts?
Did these some 150+ other customers get their parts?

The past couple of years, I think I've posted before, that members of this, other and non-forum customers have purchased and had deliverd over $100,000 worth of stuff from me.

In that... I have had a few packages lost and broken in shipping and they have been claimed and paid in the same exact manner that I'm going through with DJ, other than they were domestic as opposed to International.

I've missed some shipping dates and sent them late.

I've had one center console returned because it was more tan than brown.

I DARE any of you that have had any GOOD experiences to stand up and say so.  Of course, they won't because like Dale, you guys are so hell bent on trashing me, that you're going to take them down as well.

Forgive me Stang...  that is not directed entirely at you.

But seriously, you guys are REALLY reaching here.  REALLY trying to build this into a bigger deal than it is.  And are really exposing yourselves.  Think about it.

By the way...  Dale IS coming up.  We are going to have the 1st annaul DKOV Bar-B-Que and car show.  Closed party, by invitation only.

Scott
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