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Author Topic: I think I have a way to get a built kit car into Canada...  (Read 641 times)
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« on: August 07, 2008, 12:00:07 PM »

My Plan to get a kit car into Canada would be this. Get some one to build it in the UK or US. And make it look more like a race car. Put drag slicks on it, wheelie bars out the back, and title it as a race car. For off road use only. Can NOT be made street legal. Then once Canadian Customs lets into Canada, just put it back to looking like a Lambo or what ever kit replica your building. I can't see how customs can not let you bring in a race car used only for the drag strip.

What do you guys think?
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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2008, 12:15:12 PM »

best idea ive heard so far
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2008, 12:28:12 PM »

are you having the frame built custom? either that or just ship a canadian donor car down, when it is done ship it back up.
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2008, 02:01:58 PM »

Two things happen -- as an off road vehicle turned into an ON road vehicle you will need a VIN number and pass two inspections - an allowed in canada/vin inspection and an out of province inspection -- YOU WOULD FAIL BOTH
As for a custom frame idea again you need to prove ALL parts were purchased separately by you or manufactured by you (Not bought as a whole or in part as a kit and disassembled for import) and then you face getting a vin and the two inspection -- YOU WOULD FAIL ALL THE ABOVE
The only real legal way to have a kit car in Canada is if you build it completely from scratch yourself and save every reciept for every nut and bolt -- oh and do not die before its finished LOL
The auto makers do not want kit cars on the road in this country - period
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2008, 02:09:47 PM »

OH I forgot about  " just ship a canadian donor car down, when it is done ship it back up."
They will make you remove the "uncertified" kit right at the border. As an example guys try buying trucks in US and having lift kits put on (Aftermarket) and they are made to remove them at customs as the lift kit is not safety certified for Canada. Unless the big car manufactures have your make and model on the import list with those options it is not going to get in here legally.
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2008, 02:14:15 PM »

you know in texas an extra $50 under the table gets anything inspected. no joke, try moving
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2008, 04:04:14 PM »

As far as a VIN number, just buy a Fiero and take the vin no off that and put it on the kit car and call it a Fiero. I'm talking about fooling customs into thinking it will be a race car for the race strip. Once its in Canada you can do what ever you want with it.



Two things happen -- as an off road vehicle turned into an ON road vehicle you will need a VIN number and pass two inspections - an allowed in canada/vin inspection and an out of province inspection -- YOU WOULD FAIL BOTH
As for a custom frame idea again you need to prove ALL parts were purchased separately by you or manufactured by you (Not bought as a whole or in part as a kit and disassembled for import) and then you face getting a vin and the two inspection -- YOU WOULD FAIL ALL THE ABOVE
The only real legal way to have a kit car in Canada is if you build it completely from scratch yourself and save every reciept for every nut and bolt -- oh and do not die before its finished LOL
The auto makers do not want kit cars on the road in this country - period
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2008, 06:02:24 PM »

hmm are you 100% sure about that off road thing? My buddy who lives in vancouver has both sent this truck to washington for work, including a lift and returned it no problem. He also purchased a truck close to seattle and drove it back up that had lift etc with minimal issues. Did it with a boat as well. Not 100% on it it all but putting a new body on the car may not have an affect on customs. Just give them a call and see what they have to say. If the car is not imported into the US then it wont need to be imported back into canada. Therefore in theory you may be able to just drive it across...

i know i did not do the import paper work for my bike when i moved to the US, so among other scenarios I was told one option would be to ship it back to canada and sell it there, or ship it back and then send it back to US with the import paper work...talking to canada customs I did not have to do a thing besides show registration paper work to bring it into canada, and it has a completely new fiberglass body on it.
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2008, 08:42:10 PM »

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/tp2436/rs200804/menu.htm

the important part is at the bottom
Important Notes:
It is against the law (sections 5 (1) and 6 of the Act) to import a vehicle or sell a new vehicle in Canada that does not meet CMVSS. Importing such a vehicle in different shipments is a violation punishable under section 17 of the Act.
Third party add ons such as lift kits installed, etc. that do not meet CMVSS are illegally imported and the vehicle can be impounded or siezed at any time after it has been illegally brought over the border. Yes people get away with it but its still unsafe.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2008, 12:02:04 AM »

What if its a race car? if its going to be used for racing, (or cumstoms thinks its going to be used for racing) I think it should be let in. it sounds like your talking for street use. the idea as I said is to just get it across the border. Then worrie about the inspections and if it will pass safty and all that. This is something I would have to talk to Customs about first.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2008, 08:20:29 AM »

you can bring race cars into Canada but they have to stay race cars (off road use) they can not be converted to kit cars (on road use). Just because you get something across the border (fooling customs) does not leave you free and clear to do as you wish. There is alway someone trying to beat the system and its annoying. Small wonder this part of the car industry is dead. End of discussion. Bye
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2008, 08:35:33 AM »

How about getting a friend to register the car in say Wisconsin and then driving the car over the border. Are they likely to stop you at border patrol?
Then drive the car in Canada on Wisconsin plates.
I always wondered about this as I know Wisconsin has cheaper road tax than Minnesota so you see lots of people in Minneapolis who have their car registered at their parents / friends places for the cheaper tax...
I have no idea if this will work - just putting it out there for discussion! Huh
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2008, 09:19:02 AM »

I talked to one really good kit car builder on this forum who did just what I posted. Said it was a race car and customs let it across. I know guys who build kit cars here in Canada and sell them all the time. They had to get the body, chassis from the US some how. I'm sure you can just get a rolling chassis in and say its a race car or going to be as such, then later on bring in the kit body. Sounds like CARBUILDER just doesn't like guys pulling this off from the sounds of it... Canada is a great country but there rules on kit cars are as stupid as I have ever heard!! You can build and buy one as long as it was built here in Canada but you can't even bring in just the body it self if it came from the US. What's the bloody difference!!? It will still meet all safety requirements! Your going to tell me guys with some little 32 Ford roadster with a 600 HP big block supercharged motor is any safer then a Lamborghini replica?? back in 1932 those cars were only made to go maybe 50 miles per hour! It wouldn't be very hard to get all your paper work and receipts showing the car was built here in Canada even if you are BSing about it. Anything can be done, you just have to know how to do it. Wink
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2008, 11:38:29 AM »

I have direct experience with getting my rolling frame through customs when I trailered it up from Oregon.

I got to the border at way early in the morning (about 1:30 a.m.) and started workingwith the customs guy there to get it through the border and pay my tax and import fees etc.  In my case, I was verylucky in that the frame still has a fiero VIN on it as there is about 3 square feet of original Fiero on the custom frame which included the VIN on the front windscreen frame.

The customs guy was going to register it into Canada as off road (race car only) and that would have put me in the position as CarBuilder says to have to get it certified with VIN, saying it was road worthy etc., I was lucky on the VIN itself as Out of Country and then out of Province at least had the VIN to start with.

He was having a terrible time filling out the paperwork for the race car route so I convinced him, and he convinced himself, to just use the regular importation paperwork saying that the Fiero with VIN was heavily modified.... I would say so since most of the Fiero was no longer part of the frame...... Cheesy

Anyway, I lucked out on the frame but the customs guy said if I was to go the race car route, I would have a heck of a time getting it certified in Canada at all for road use.

Not saying this is the whole story for everyone but my experience only.  I will still need to do an out of country and then an out of province inspection before I get a registration slip which would be as a heavily modified Fiero and then I will need to get it appraissed for insurance so I am properly covered.

Factory Five Racing is the only one that I know in the States that has a really good explanation on how to import a partially completed kit into Canada properly and there was another fellow here on the board from Canada that had figured a way out but I have not had time to read it all yet.

Good luck to anyone who wants to bring anything more than fiberglass panels in box over the border....

Cheers
Don
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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2008, 06:08:22 AM »

There are rules and regulations everywhere we go in life.

It's all a matter of how bad you want something....

If you want to really save on taxes - you go to a good accountant who knows "all the ins and outs" - not just someone who fills in the planks on a tax report.
 
If you have legal problems - you get a good lawyer who mainly deals with those issues....

You get the picture....

You might try a "GOOD Autos broker"
YES you will pay extra over doing it yourself - but then again - IF and I say "IF" they can get it across so it would be legal to drive FOR YEARS TO COME on Canadian roads - that's your main goal.

Unless you are willing to pay the price/time should you get caught - it might be best to rethink trying to beat the system...  Use the tools available to work for you... - pay what it takes to have a borker do it..

PLEASE do not get me wrong - I love it here and like anywhere in the world you have your good and your bad - But some of the regulations and paper work to get things over the border are silly. The MRS paid more in Broker fees - to have something worth $25 shipped here that was ONLY made in USA and not available in Canada... It cost her almost $60 - I think it was $57 and some change... GO figure... 

GOOD LUCK, Signed - One who has had to adjust to Canada/Customs rules with Autos - A US Citizen living with Canadian wife - here in Canada.
Tony

PS I just exported from US and Imported to Canada 5 vehicles this summer - on my own - what a joy!!! However none were Kit Cars.
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