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« on: August 12, 2008, 08:43:05 PM » |
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What is the best way to get a closer sound to a exotic car engine?
for example, if I put a Ferrari muffler in a cadillac engine will sound the same as in a Ferrari?
or maybe a higher rev engine like a Honda engine which has more revs?
what is the best way to get a nice sound close to real without spending thousands of dollars?
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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2008, 08:54:14 PM » |
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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2008, 08:54:14 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2008, 10:47:37 AM » |
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How about using an AUDI V8 with a Ferrari muffler? Extreme mentioned that the Ferrari 360's unique sound comes from the muffler/exhaust box. Try this set up and see what the results will be.
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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2008, 06:57:27 PM » |
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Thanks, I´ve read them, but most of them are talking about V12 engines, supra engines with titanium parts, 350Z engines, and stuff like that. ( I have no budget to spend in that  ) I´m looking for a more simple and easy way, I´m really amazed by the wonderful result of Extreme with the peugeot, It´s a extremely well done car, in a easy way to make it, with a REAL TERRIFIC result, and of course, the passion sound included!. As I said, I want to achieve something close to the Extreme result, without having to buy a V12, an Audi V8 or titanium supra engine. I want to try the OEM Ferrari exhaust in my accord, to see if it gives a nice sound, I will buy one in my next trip to USA, Here I can´t find any Ferrari original parts for sale. I asked because I assume maybe someone is looking for a similar result with low budget  Best regards. |
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2008, 07:03:29 PM » |
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There isn't any solution for the sound. It is in the mechanical design of the engine. maybe you could download something for an iPod that would work through your headphones?
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2008, 08:00:46 PM » |
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Sorry but if you think anything on a lambo build is or will be a low budget you need to really reconsider your budget. I am sure a ferrari muffler is not going to be low budget either. I see all these threads regarding trying to replicate the sound of the real thing. These cars take so much time to build and so much money that I wouldn't worry about such trival items as engine sound. You will never duplicate the sound of a V12 as mentioned many times before. it is the 12 engine pulses that makes the exotic sound not the muffler. I would be more concerned by getting the entire vehilce mocked up, before I would care about the exhaust note.
When you have to build your exhaust you may find yourself making a selection based on what muffler actually fits the space and not by how it sounds.
Mike
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2008, 08:06:21 PM » |
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Sorry but if you think a lambo build is or will be a low budget you need to really reconsider your budget. I am sure a ferrari muffler is not going to be low budget either. I see all these threads regarding trying to replicate the sound of the real thing. These cars take so much time to build and so much money that I wouldn't worry about such trival items as engine sound. You will never duplicate the sound of a V12 you can only make an educated guess what the real one sounds like and unless you have the vehicles side by side you will not know. I would be more concerned by getting the entire vehilce mocked up, before I would try an experiment with the exhaust note.
When you have to build your exhaust you may find yourself making a selection based on what muffler actually fits the space and not by how it sounds.
Mike
so what would a 350 chevy v8 and a ferrari 328 muffler sound like |
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msaby
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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2008, 08:15:27 PM » |
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It won't sound like a ferrari! Think about it, if I took a muffler from a camaro and put it on a toyota is that going to make it sound like a camaro?
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2008, 07:08:34 AM » |
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Sorry but if you think a lambo build is or will be a low budget you need to really reconsider your budget. I am sure a ferrari muffler is not going to be low budget either. I see all these threads regarding trying to replicate the sound of the real thing. These cars take so much time to build and so much money that I wouldn't worry about such trival items as engine sound. You will never duplicate the sound of a V12 you can only make an educated guess what the real one sounds like and unless you have the vehicles side by side you will not know. I would be more concerned by getting the entire vehilce mocked up, before I would try an experiment with the exhaust note.
When you have to build your exhaust you may find yourself making a selection based on what muffler actually fits the space and not by how it sounds.
Mike
so what would a 350 chevy v8 and a ferrari 328 muffler sound like Like a 350 chevy. The only way to change the sound is to change the pulses. That can only be done one of 3 ways: 1) Flat plane crank like in the ferrari 2) 180* headers, but that only changes it a little 3) extreamly high RPM's plus one of the above |
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2008, 09:23:25 AM » |
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Sorry but if you think a lambo build is or will be a low budget you need to really reconsider your budget. I am sure a ferrari muffler is not going to be low budget either. I see all these threads regarding trying to replicate the sound of the real thing. These cars take so much time to build and so much money that I wouldn't worry about such trival items as engine sound. You will never duplicate the sound of a V12 you can only make an educated guess what the real one sounds like and unless you have the vehicles side by side you will not know. I would be more concerned by getting the entire vehilce mocked up, before I would try an experiment with the exhaust note.
When you have to build your exhaust you may find yourself making a selection based on what muffler actually fits the space and not by how it sounds.
Mike
so what would a 350 chevy v8 and a ferrari 328 muffler sound like Like a 350 chevy. The only way to change the sound is to change the pulses. That can only be done one of 3 ways: 1) Flat plane crank like in the ferrari 2) 180* headers, but that only changes it a little 3) extreamly high RPM's plus one of the above how would you change the rpms and where would i get the right crank if that even will work |
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2008, 10:07:52 AM » |
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For what it will cost you in machine work, light weight bottom end and a flywheel it is not practical. It still will not sound like a Lambo but it will sound less like a chevy. Everytime I read a thread like this it makes me think are these threads for real? This topic has been covered so many times on this forum and at kitcentral let it die......
If you want a chevy to sound unique install the quietest muffler you can find and run the engine with a gear drive set-up. The whine of the gear drive will make it sound different and it will also sound like it is reving faster.
Mike
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2008, 10:42:44 AM » |
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The point that I was trying to make is that while it is possible it isnt practical. In parts alone you are in the 5-10K range this is before you find someone that could put it together and more importantly STAY together. That is part of the reason for the very short maintenance intervals ie major service every 25k miles.
Besides if sound is your motivation, save yourself some agony, buy the real thing.
People get so caught up in trying to make the replicas "EXACT" why, that defeats the purpose, especially when they follow up these expectations with questions like.... can you send a .wav of the car engine (that no one else that they know of has heard) or pics of details that they cannot reproduce cost effectively.
So I guess the message is....
Build it first, then add the bells and whistles
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2008, 11:22:09 AM » |
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The point that I was trying to make is that while it is possible it isnt practical. In parts alone you are in the 5-10K range this is before you find someone that could put it together and more importantly STAY together. That is part of the reason for the very short maintenance intervals ie major service every 25k miles.
Besides if sound is your motivation, save yourself some agony, buy the real thing.
People get so caught up in trying to make the replicas "EXACT" why, that defeats the purpose, especially when they follow up these expectations with questions like.... can you send a .wav of the car engine (that no one else that they know of has heard) or pics of details that they cannot reproduce cost effectively.
So I guess the message is....
Build it first, then add the bells and whistles
my 2 cents
Adrian
the only thing i need for my 328 gts replica is a rear deck lid spoiler, and some 328 rims |
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2008, 03:01:19 PM » |
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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2008, 03:01:37 PM » |
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The point that I was trying to make is that while it is possible it isnt practical. In parts alone you are in the 5-10K range this is before you find someone that could put it together and more importantly STAY together. That is part of the reason for the very short maintenance intervals ie major service every 25k miles.
Besides if sound is your motivation, save yourself some agony, buy the real thing.
People get so caught up in trying to make the replicas "EXACT" why, that defeats the purpose, especially when they follow up these expectations with questions like.... can you send a .wav of the car engine (that no one else that they know of has heard) or pics of details that they cannot reproduce cost effectively.
So I guess the message is....
Build it first, then add the bells and whistles
my 2 cents
Adrian
I totally disagree with this. For some of us buying the real thing isn't an option, but that will never stop us from longing for one. I'm currently awaiting the completion of the AD-LP640 kit. This kit is promised to be an exact replica in every way. I'm not one of thoughs guys that plans to build a kit and then present it as a kit I just built. This will forever remain my secret, or at least until it's time to sell it. So for me and probably a lot of others' that are building or planning to build, the sound of the finished car is just as important as the look. And as the saying goes "you never get a second chance at a first impression." That said, to build it first, and then add the bells and whistles would be a dead give away. These kits cost too much money and take up too much time just to fail at what you set out to do in first place, "have everyone believe that your cousin in the Air Force stationed in Italy got you an incredible deal on this Murci LP 640." TTT |
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